Saira talks about key discussion points when considering government funding of cultural activity, especially around funding for Western Sydney and the role of Creative Australia in shaping national culture before airing a conversation with painter and artist Jacob Clerke recorded in the bushland on Dharug Country. They discuss our human connection to objects and our power to change ourselves through them.

Tracklist
The Books
TokyoCultural Policy in Australia
Dutch Interior
Play the SongInterview with Jacob Clerke
Interview
Interview